Protestant reformation?

Mostly religious   0 votes - 0 %
Mostly political   5 votes - 71 %
Exactly 50% of each   2 votes - 28 %
 
7 Total Votes
Minor niggle... by atreides (4.00 / 1) #1 Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 11:45:37 AM EST
Hmmm by TheophileEscargot (2.00 / 0) #2 Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 12:01:37 PM EST
Not sure on that one. It's technically correct, but it's so common to talk about "the in-laws" that it feels very far from common usage.

Also in this case a universal use of the popular form would not deprive the language of something useful, as with "begging the question".
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Butch and Petey are harsh and unforgiving in their estimation of female beauty.
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I think both are in common usage by lm (4.00 / 1) #6 Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 03:21:06 PM EST
The OED has fairly old citations for mothers-in-law in the mother-in-law entry and *-in-laws in the -in-law entry.

My view is that -in-law is a suffix, it becomes part of the word. The proper plural is then made by adding s at the end. But, of course, this doesn't mean that it would be incorrect to add the suffix to a plural word. Consequently, both forms are correct.


There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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But what about... by atreides (4.00 / 1) #7 Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 03:50:32 PM EST
Commanders in Chief?  Secretaries of State?  Surgeons General?

He sails from world to world in a flying tomb, serving gods who eat hope.
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What about them? by lm (4.00 / 1) #8 Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 03:52:58 PM EST
If you're looking for consistency, perhaps a natural language is not the place to look for it.

There is no more degenerate kind of state than that in which the richest are supposed to be the best.
Cicero, The Republic
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<fist shaking> by atreides (4.00 / 1) #9 Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 03:55:46 PM EST
Before they are hanged. by Breaker (4.00 / 1) #3 Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 12:13:46 PM EST
Glokta is an interesting anti-hero though, eh?  Abercrombie at least attempts to engage with his audience, too.

Have you got the third book queued up?




I love Glokta by TheophileEscargot (2.00 / 0) #4 Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 12:21:35 PM EST
I have the third one sitting in the book-heap. I may finish the current Rebus and Aubrey/Maturin before I go back to it though.

Abercrombie reminds me a lot of Stephen Donaldson. For one thing, the big quest, item not there plot gimmick was used in The One Tree.
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Butch and Petey are harsh and unforgiving in their estimation of female beauty.
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He's an utter bastard, Glokta by Breaker (4.00 / 1) #13 Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 08:06:21 PM EST
But not without redeeming features.

I'm sure there's other "queat item not found" gimmicks elsewhere - Dark Tower series for example.


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Politics and religion overlap by Alan Crowe (4.00 / 3) #5 Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 02:26:47 PM EST
I have great difficulty understanding what is going on when people believe in Christianity or Islam. If I believed that my immortal soul was on the line I would studying the books to find out which religion to believe in and which, of numerous variants, was the true one. What do I have to do to be saved? Faith? Works? It is all terribly unclear and I would worry myself into a nervous breakdown within a month or two.

I look at the Anglican communion and its troubles with homosexuality and I don't get it. There seem to be only two choices. 1) God forbids it, so repress your urges. 2) What God forbids is OK, so give up Christianity.

People actually try to talk through their differences and reach a compromise, perhaps that pairing is love and God is love so that's OK, but cottaging is lust and that's what the bible forbids. So it seems to me that religion is a form of politics with power and negotiation. An odd kind of politics, cloaked by a polite fiction of divine revelation.

I think its a neuro-typical thing. One wants the emotional support of a divine revelation. God's silence makes this difficult. First you must talk among yourselves to decide the revelation. Then you must engage in double-think, believing it is handed down by God, despite one's own active involvement. Finally one engages in collective worship, each worshipper helping the others validate the collective suppression of the origin of faith.

Sometimes faith needs updating. This involves dangerous and painful diving into the depths of the subconscious. There lurks that truth of the human invention of religion and the possibility of change. The emotional support that religion offers comes in part from having the certainty of unchanging truth, so necessary upgrades are always traumatic.

We can imagine a sharp boundary between politics and religion, but in such an imagining, Hell is a place that you could actually visit. Questions of morality could be settled by visiting Hell and asking folk what they did, much as you could visit a prison and ask the prisoners: what are you in for. Such childlike faith strikes me as being both true religion and the socially marginal province of barely sane. Mainstream religion is a strange kind of politics, separated from the ordinary kind by a broad and fuzzy boundary.



Terribly unclear? by Tonatiuh (2.00 / 0) #12 Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 07:10:16 PM EST
Ha! That is an understatement.

If such stuff was clear at all you would not have the myriad of denominations claiming to be the real deal.

This goes  pretty much for any religion frankly. Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, you name it.

Which is no wonder, because they are dealing with an invented imaginary subject (sorry, sorry, sorry, I know, flame away).

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How old's your Dad? by ammoniacal (4.00 / 1) #10 Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 05:08:28 PM EST
Here's to his speedy recovery, mate.

This coomenat has be n soidnsord by hurricanbe ice malt liqur


Thanks! by TheophileEscargot (4.00 / 1) #11 Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 05:14:55 PM EST
The spiritual is political by Scrymarch (4.00 / 1) #14 Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 10:01:30 AM EST
I think it's a fair point about the political interests behind the success of the Reformation, and of course the Church itself had significant political power in that era, but it still seems to me the spark was religious, it just needed favorable political conditions for the flame to catch. What's the bit from On Liberty ... thanks Amazon ...

To speak only of religious opinions: the Reformation broke out at least twenty times before Luther, and was put down. Arnold of Brescia was put down. The Vaudois were put down. The Lollards were put down. The Hussites were put down. Even after the era of Luther, wherever persecution was persisted in, it was successful [...]


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